Self defense is a kind of violence, I guess.

They're kinda famous for punching people (physically) unprovoked at this point. There was a whole discourse around it that comes back up pretty regularly, I don't know how you could miss it.

Punching people who think you and your friends should be killed just for existing is a form of self-defense.

> Punching people who think you and your friends should be killed just for existing is a form of self-defense.

This is such an incredibly radicalized and detached from reality statement. It's genuinely scary that there are people who think this way.

You vote for my friends to be directly physically harmed, and you think it’s scary that some people respond to your violence with their own?

You’re not “better” because you vote for political violence, my man, though I get that brings up conflicting feelings for you.

It’s actually weird how often people try to pretend that their shitty actions (vis-a-vis making sure Grok can create CSAM, or that Facebook can more effectively give teenage girls depression) are morally neutral because they’re second order effects. You’re still a pretty shitty human being if you directly enable it, even if you’re not the sole cause. Some of y’all need to stop sniffing your own farts (or Elon’s/Thiel’s/etc.) and learn that.

Yeah, it is terrifying there are people who think other people deserve to be killed just for existing and yet, behold, the world is what it is.

I find it genuinely scary that you have a serious problem with people punching eugenicists and hardcore authoritarians.

The real question is where do you draw the line with these ideologies? I don't think anyone deserves violence just for thinking the wrong things, but we're currently seeing the result of when those thoughts inevitably turn into actions.

It doesn't seem like America ended up on the right side of the paradox of tolerance, so I'm curious how you think we could have avoided our current fascist leadership?

> I'm curious how you think we could have avoided our current fascist leadership?

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

???

That's the classic example of a loaded question.

How is it relevant to the context?

What would people like Trump, Noem, and Miller have to do differently for you to think that they are fascists?

This is a genuine question. I want to understand how you view the world.

Ah, you mean when they punched the nazi guy?

"A majority of individuals involved are anarchists, communists, and socialists, although some social democrats also participate in the antifa movement. The name antifa and the logo with two flags representing anarchism and communism are derived from the German antifa movement." [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

The air quotes around 'right' are interesting there. Yes, violence against Nazis and Fascists is acceptable. Do you disagree? I thought it was pretty much settled, we did a whole world war about it.

WWII revisionism is back in fashion these days, even in spaces that historically would have been only mildly to the right of center.

We'll worry about that when the Presidency and both houses of Congress are controlled by the Communist Party

What is a communist? And before you respond with a tautology, I’ll just ask - what is communism, and when have we fought anyone practicing it?

Surely you’re not using scare words you don’t understand. Right?

Problem is "Nazi" = "Anyone who disagrees with me" in most Left-friendly spaces today. For instance: https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/was-charlie-kirk-a...

None of his views had anything to do with Naziism but failure to fall in line with all of the Left's current positions makes one "a Nazi" to them. And yes, much the same way as right-wing extremists like to paint all 'liberals' as "gun grabbing Marxists." The difference is you can find a lot more liberals who would happily glorify Marx than you can find Americans of any party who would glorify the Nazi regime or its acts.

In case it's unclear, I do not support Nazis either.

What distinction do you draw?

It's like a square and a rectangle. All Nazis are fascist, but not all fascists are Nazis. It's just like how I'm an environmentalist, but I'm not a member of the Green party. It may seem pedantic, but I find it's important to be exact these days because fascists love weaselly word games. Kirk was not a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party, but he shared the majority of their general beliefs and behaviors and those are undeniably fascist.