Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

You have no idea how many men are going to find this and be emboldened by it. Men seek permission from women when it comes to pushing sexual boundaries.

I don't care what her mental state is. She needs to be banned from the Internet.



Emboldened to ... spend money on prostitutes?


Ignoring that I think spending money on prostitutes is unethical as labor is coerced (either work or starve), meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this), the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children. I have said it elsewhere, but this kind of specious moral pondering was employed extensively by groups like NAMBLA and others in the 20th century to provide moral cover for themselves.


> meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this)

In a world where all labor is slave labor, rape presumably isn't particularly frowned upon. If I'm going to accept your premise that basically everything I have in life is obtained through coercion, why would I object to obtaining sex that way?

> the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children

One of these is not like the other. People advocating for AI generated child pornography are generally doing so as a means of reducing the frequency of people actually having sex with children.

"AI generated CSAM" is an oxymoron FWIW, it's impossible to sexually abuse a child which does not exist.


This doesn't work. It instead creates normalization of the content and causes people with these fixations to obsess.


I'm not that deeply familiar on the topic, do you have any research to share on this?


'"AI generated CSAM" is an oxymoron FWIW, it's impossible to sexually abuse a child which does not exist.'

Would you agree that fictional stories about how blacks want to and commit rape and murder are fine?

Is it OK to 'grok' out simulated undressings of small children because the image technically no longer depict them and instead are fantasy?


>Would you agree that fictional stories about how blacks want to and commit rape and murder are fine?

"Fine" in what sense?

>Is it OK to 'grok' out simulated undressings of small children because the image technically no longer depict them and instead are fantasy?

Why would it not be OK? There is nobody being harmed.


Pick some sense you're comfortable with.

If I sneak a nude photo of you and use some "AI" to add a funny hat and then spread it, would you be OK with that?


>If I sneak a nude photo of you and use some "AI" to add a funny hat and then spread it, would you be OK with that?

How is this even vaguely related? I'm a real person, but we're presumably discussing people who do not exist.


And kids aren't?


No? That's the whole point.

The people advocating for AI generated child pornography are generally not advocating for AI generated child pornography portraying real children.


>portraying real children

Where do you think the training data came from, you pedophilic dolt? If you have kids and have posted their image online, some dude is cranking it to an image inspired by them, with your enthusiastic consent apparently. Bleak!


If you're specifically advocating for a CP-generating AI that allows you to generated pictures of specific people, that's on you man.


Right, so as long as the photo is manipulated you're OK with it being distributed.

Do you have kids?


>Right, so as long as the photo is manipulated you're OK with it being distributed.

Moving the goalposts from "AI-generated" to "manipulated" is just silly on your part.

>Do you have kids?

Yes.


No goalposts got moved.

A previous post asked: "Is it OK to 'grok' out simulated undressings of small children because the image technically no longer depict them and instead are fantasy?"

And then YOU answered with the following:

> Why would it not be OK? There is nobody being harmed.


And I'm sure no children will be exposed to this. You people are fucking sick.


The problem with your argument is that you could have made the exact opposite argument in reverse as well, e.g. saying that all work is sex work, since the only goal of work is to reproduce.

The coercion framework is useless, because you don't actually care about coercion at all. If there is a parallel world without coercion but prostitution, you would probably still argue that prostitution is coercive.

This is because your argument fundamentally rests on the idea that you can just pick whatever situation has the fitting "moral consequence" and ascribe it to the thing you don't like to hide your own subjective opinion under the pretense of objectivity.

What reality tells us is that prostitutes don't need help getting their profession banned. They need help with switching careers and since society is built on musical chair economics, there aren't enough chairs to for them to sit on.


>If there is a parallel world without coercion but prostitution, you would probably still argue that prostitution is coercive.

If no one needed to work to survive and live a dignified life, then I would not think seeing a prostitute was an act of rape, yes, but I would expect a dramatic drop in people who choose to have sex with random strangers in exchange for resources without those motivating needs.

>This is because your argument fundamentally rests on the idea that you can just pick whatever situation has the fitting "moral consequence" and ascribe it to the thing you don't like to hide your own subjective opinion under the pretense of objectivity.

Aww, you've discovered the is-ought problem. Spoiler: Every moral judgment has this problem.

>They need help with switching careers and since society is built on musical chair economics, there aren't enough chairs to for them to sit on.

I guarantee that in developed countries, there are enough chairs. The main obstacles are mental illness (often as a result of childhood trauma) and substance abuse stopping them from engaging in the economy legally. Instead, they end up joining the lumpenproles, just like men in similar situations turn to various petty crimes.


>If no one needed to work to survive and live a dignified life, then I would not think seeing a prostitute was an act of rape, yes, but I would expect a dramatic drop in people who choose to have sex with random strangers in exchange for resources without those motivating needs.

If a prostitute is charging $1000 per hour, are they only being raped for the first couple of hours in a month?


No. They are being raped for the entirety of it. They need to not just make ends meet, but ensure they'll be able to survive the rest of their life when the prime earning years are past.


Even when they're spending most of their income on luxury holidays, designer bags, clothes and shoes? In my experience that better reflects the typical lifestyle of an higher-end escort.

Someone who's good can relatively easily manage a 20 year career at well above $500k/pa, it's really not that unattractive gig. A big chunk of that will also tend to go unreported and remain tax-free.

I don't believe for a second that any high-end escorts are doing the job to "survive", those girls will be charging far less.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: