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I imagine you feel the same way with people using IVF pr other techniques to get children?


I do feel the same way about those people. I can't imagine a scenario where you want anything that bad and are not objectifying it. The simple fact is that the idea of "getting" or "having" people is bad. Doesn't matter if they want to be good parents. No different than wanting a colored boy at the house. Sure it might make you happy, but the whole idea and the ideas underpinning those thoughts are disgusting and evil.


You think a couple struggling to have children is the same as someone who wants a slave?

That's genuinely unhinged.


I'm open to reinterpretation but I simply can't see how it's different.

They've objectified a person. It's not a person they know and formed a relationship with. They wanted a "child" object "for" their lives (for themselves) so bad they spent money, went to a doctor, probably cried about it. They call it "unfair" that they didn't get the standard-issue fairy tale everyone is supposed to get. They feel cheated, as if they were entitled to it. The "child" is not a person to them, it's an object. It's a fungible token. They could have ended up with a different person and they wouldn't care; the child role is filled and so the fairy tale is complete.

I can tell you personally what happens when this person (the one they call "child") decides to go their own way in life contrary to the wishes of the owner/parent. Ostracism, coercion, blackmail, abuse, manipulation. Such disappointment that the person called "child" didn't follow the predetermined procedure, the fairy tale. It didn't do what it was programmed to do and they feel cheated.




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