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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-00120...

Deaths: 1 579 for the AstraZeneca vaccine;.

The EMA notes that no causal link has been confirmed: β€˜The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that this was caused by the vaccine.

Even though this is the EU, your 'hundreds of thousands died' is not true in any way and is a lie.

You were told it is not an mRNA vaccine which you are ignoring.

"okay, you might get it, but you won't spread it"

This ignores the evolution of the virus itself into variants which changed the efficacy of the vaccines based off of previous variants.

What you're saying here is classic anti-vax stuff. "I'm just skeptical, I don't trust medicine now" while offering up totally false information.

Never mind that vaccines rapidly stopped covid from flooding hospitals killing people and giving them long term problems. Now it's not a problem and the only thing that slowed down progress was people spreading misinformation and lies.



> "okay, you might get it, but you won't spread it"

> This ignores the evolution of the virus itself into variants which changed the efficacy of the vaccines based off of previous variants.

The trials that gave us the very high efficacy numbers didn't test infection/transmission at all. More than likely nothing changed here, and the messaging was just a lie by people who didn't understand the press releases, which only said it prevents sickness.


I'm not sure who you're talking about, I've noted above that I still find the medical establishment trustworthy, and that my kids are fully vaccinated. I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, but there were studies done that showed excess fatalities NOT attributable to COVID were correlated with the vaccination rate of the country. This also doesn't mean individual vaccines are unsafe, as that is still a very rare occurrence.

Consider that if 4 billion people get a vaccine with a 1/10,000 (0.01%) chance of causing myocarditis / blood clots / other side effects resulting in sudden death, that would still mean 400,000 dead, and those deaths aren't meaningless to the families they affect. It's very insensitive to accuse those who've lost loved ones and then continued to get boosters anyway because it's the right thing to do of pushing a "classic anti-vax agenda"


Consider that the actual chance of TTS (clots) is about 2 per 100,000 (ten times less than your "guess") and that when these issues occur they are NOT always fatal - in a country of 20 million that all get the Astra-Z vaccine 400 people will have a TTS side affect and perhaps 2 of those might die.

Consider, also, the real world where such things were noticed early on, where Astra-Z use was downgraded, and community health centes were advised to stay alert for issues.

ie. 4 billion people did not get a vaccine with TTS issues.

See, for example: https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/advice-...

and note well AstraZeneca is no longer available in Australia




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