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Similar experience in a subaru. After fighting the lane keep assist feature a couple of times when it got confused and jerked the wheel all of a sudden, we just turned it off permanently.


It's not a technical problem. We knew this was going to happen if we transform cars into computers. It just take some management change to make your car unsafe or misbehave.

My FIAT Panda from the early 2000s has none of those problems. I need no updates, and every problem it has can be fixed by any car worshop, or even myself.

Relays and basic electronics that don't handle anything important, that's all it has.

It is lightweight (fuel efficient), agile in town and on dirt roads, cheap and easy to maintain.


When passing bikes i always hug the yellow lines to give them space. Lane assist (in a rented beemer) tended to jerk the car straight toward them.


Lane keeping in my Subaru has been amazing. Better than any non Tesla I’ve tried. But sometimes the PID loop is really nasty and while I want to bias to the left of the lane it keeps fighting me. If I let go it throws me into the next lane. It hasn’t happened ever since I learned how the car reacts to that behaviour.

But it’s still very, very bad and I hope Subaru’s controls engineers are addressing it.


I appreciate that others are willing to beta test these new car features.


Indeed! For a base model car it’s pretty amazing. Now that I’m aware of this PID problem I just avoid it (but it’s still shamefully bad, Subaru…)

The rest of the features, however, make this the safest car I’ve driven so far. Adaptive cruise control, reverse automatic braking, and collision avoidance will make all cars safer.

I should write about it but the collision avoidance saved me from hitting a cyclist that flew out of a parking lot with a reaction time I wouldn’t be capable of.


Do you know for sure it is a PID? Error is center of car minus center of lane?


On public roads with other people who haven't consented to testing anything, no less.


I just don't see myself ever trusting a car


I hear you. Every generation of technological evolution has hold-outs who can’t come to “trust” the new thing. I can’t come to trust smart home stuff, for example.


It seems rather derogatory to call people "hold-outs" because we don't trust buggy, novel technology.

On the other hand, we have a term for people who are always installing the latest beta updates and purchasing shiny gadgets: we call them "heatseekers". It's the heatseekers who tend to have unreliable tech and lose control of the gadgets that are supposed to make their quality of life better.

It seems pragmatic and wise to take new technology with a grain of salt. Since I have used computers and other technology for over 40 years, I have developed a good sense for what will be reliable and proven, and what should be avoided until it has been given a chance to mature. Often there are things in the latter category that can be taken up by scammers and hucksters who are eager to make a quick buck.

As always, keep in mind the adage that those who won the Gold Rush were selling the shovels and supplies. I personally enjoy selling shovels.


At least smart home stuff can’t send you into a ditch at 60mph


Well not with that attitude!


But when your smart oven and smart smoke detector conspire...


Yeah, I'm in it with Home Assistant, so at least it's open ish and not on the cloud, but there's still more maintenance than I'd like. Still, motion sensor lights are cool.


Same with Toyota. The LKAS is utter garbage, does not work on normal roads, and I find it distracting/dangerous to use. This is regarding TSS 2.0, I know there's a 2.5 and I think 3.0 just released but I don't believe the overarching issues have been fixed. I tried park assist only once and it hit a curb...

However, the collision avoidance is excellent. It works great, never had unwanted breaking, it assists breaking in emergency, and the rear cross traffic frequently senses incoming cars we can't see.


Have they made it stronger or something? The lane keep assist on my 5 year old Subaru is just a gentle tug. Feels like a gust of wind at most.




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