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Yeah, if I was a shareholder I'd be upset as well at their plan to borrow money and purchase a highly volatile asset at its historical peak price. Plus, if I was a shareholder who did think that Bitcoin was an asset worth investing in, I'd rather do it with my own money and reap all the rewards than let a tech company do it and get the watered down returns (after they pay all their bonuses and everything).


Many retirement accounts (x% of $7.4 trillion) cannot be invested directly in bitcoin or even GBTC. For that reason, I bought MSTR.

That said, I'm nervous about the debt raise because it begs for regulatory action.

One thing's certain: the successful raise and the increased size point to tremendous interest in Bitcoin from investors of all sizes.


> One thing's certain: the successful raise and the increased size point to tremendous interest in Bitcoin from investors of all sizes.

No it doesnt. It points to the fact that the market will buy USD debt paying out interest in USD. A US 5 year treasury note pays out a little under 0.4%, so this note paying 0.75% is a way to get a little more yield by taking on some credit risk.


It's surprising to me that the additional risk is only worth 0.35%.


Everyone chasing yield is driving down risk premium. Look at the rate on Illinois and Puerto Rico bonds.


and yet the credit market gobbled it all up! om nom

shareholders can and should do whatever they want, that is the point of being so forthcoming

"I want to do X" => market agrees or market disagrees => X does or doesn't happen


Of course the credit market is ok with it, they aren't taking on the risk. Shareholders on the other hand are down almost 20%


Credit market has risk of default all for a chance of earning 0.75% for 5 years

The shareholders are down because of the perceived risk of conversion which dilutes the shares, not really because of the exposure to bitcoin - which is a factor - but the market is weighing the conversion more heavily.


It looks like Microstrategy's gets to decide whether to convert or to pay back in stock though - it seems like they would only chose to convert if the stock price was below their conversion rate, in which case the purchaser would lose?


Nice one, nice catch! I haven't read the covenants of the bond. Just getting a trickle of information from various articles.

Credit markets are more fascinating than people think, especially on leverage.


The date is sort of arbitrary... they're up 130% since they started buying Bitcoin in August.


But they didn't get a chance to do what they want, the CEO (and I would presume the board...hopefully) made this decision to drastically reduce shareholder value on their own.


Actually they were offered to sell their stocks at a premium. Everything was clearly communicated to the shareholders.

Sure, MSFT lost some shareholders, but so far it looks like it was a win for everyone.


MSTR


they're in a leveraged bitcoin play

they can sell now or buy puts, they've had a week


Shareholders were informed of the plan well ahead of the bitcoin purchases. They were offered the chance to sell their shares. Existing shareholders have proven they are onboard with this change of strategy.


Their stock was pretty flat for three years, now it is in a bull market. I don’t think you would be upset if you were a shareholder...


Don't forget the bitcoin capitulation in march, that was very important.




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