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There have to be GovCloud only LLMs just for this case.

I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews.

I keep thinking back about that Chernobyl miniseries; head of the science department used to run a shoe factory. No one needs to be competent at their job anymore


The article says

> [ChatGPT] is blocked for other Department of Homeland Security staff. Gottumukkala “was granted permission to use ChatGPT with DHS controls in place,” adding that the use was “short-term and limited.”

He had a special exemption to use it as head of Cyber and still got flagged by cybersecurity checks. So obviously they don't think it's safe to use broadly.

They already have a deal with OpenAI to build a government focused one https://openai.com/global-affairs/introducing-chatgpt-gov/


> So obviously they don't think it's safe to use broadly.

More likely, everything gets added to the list because there shouldn't be false positives, it's worth investigating to make sure there isn't an adjacent gap in the security systems.


You are uploading information to the chat system every time you use it. Doubly true if you’re having it analyze or work with documents.

I presume pulling this data out is simple if you’re, say, China.

There really no security to investigate. Without a private instance, it’s an absolute non-starter for anything classified.


> presume pulling this data out is simple if you’re, say, China

Why would you presume that?


A nationstate has a lot of capacity to do things they shouldn't be doing

Because this is a discussion about national security.

Somehow I think that the weak link in our government security is at the top - the President, his cabinet, and various heads of agencies. Because nobody questions what they're allowed to do, and so they're exempt from various common-sense security protocols. We already saw some pretty egregious security breaches from Pete Hegseth.

That's also the case in businesses. No one denies the CEO a security exemption.

I have never worked in a company where an obviously incorrect CEO-demanded security exemption (like this one) would have been allowed to pass. Professionalism, boards (with a mandatory employee member/representative, after some size) and ethics exist.

30 years in about 8 software companies, Northern Europe. Often startups. Between 4 to 600 people. When they grow large the work often turns boring, so it's time to find something smaller again.


Ah, Northern Europe is probably the difference. This passes all the time in the US. It's probably more common in non-tech companies, as well.

I’m in the US, SE since 1998, startups to multinationals. What the GP said holds true for me too. There are serious professionals in the world - I don’t know why some people want to drag every one else down to the level of the current US administration- they are exceptionally inept.

CTO at a successfull cybersecurity startup I worked at long ago was exempt from critical security updates. She refused to restart her computer out of fear for her Excel state.

I used to work devops for a startup. The _only_ person who was exempted from 2-factor auth was the CEO. It's the perfect storm: a tech illiterate person with access to everything and the authority to exclude himself from anything he finds inconvenient.

>I have never worked in a company where an obviously incorrect CEO-demanded security exemption (like this one) would have been allowed to pass

You don't have worked in enough companies then.

Just for the sake of argument, you think anybody would have denied Jobs or Bezos or Musk one?


I saw what joining Apple did to a friend in the early 2000s.

(Extreme burnout, did not get rich from the pain. It was just pointless destruction.)


The phrase ‘Don’t you know who I am?’ Will be taken differently depending on corporate culture.

Why would you? He’s literally the only person ostensibly in charge of the direction of the company. Destroying the company through a security exemption or a bad business deal - both are the leader making a poor decision due directly to his seat of power.

Give sound advice of course, but ultimately it’s the exec’s decision make.


There are many reasons to deny a CEO ... in a good company structure such denials are circled back around to the board for review.

Case in point: Allowing a CEO with no flight training to "have the keys" to the company <rare, expensive, uniquely outfitted, airframe> because they want to take it for a spin.

Sheparding Royalty in Monarchies has been a neccessary, delicate, loaded, and life threatening role for centuries.

Being a C-suite Groom of the Stool isn't a happy job, but somebody has to do it.


I guess, but it’s his plane in a sense. If he wants to fly it and destroy the company, it’s his call. You just give the advice.

To be clear, I’m referring much more to CEO/owners - maybe more like Zuck than Bezos


No, it isn't - it's an asset owned by the company and shareholders - a CEO is an appointed or elected officer.

> To be clear, I’m referring much more to CEO/owners

Owners are what you are talking about. CEO / Owners are Owners and can act like owners.

That said, even owners need to be herded like cats when they are making bad decisions that impact tens of thousands of people on the basis of hubris and feels.

Somebody has to toss them shiny keys until the moment passes and they can make rational choices again.


The question isn’t whether they want it is whether they have a business need, as with any employee.

The CEO of vocal cola has no business need to know the secret formula. Giving it to him has no upside only downside, so you don’t.


So who gets the formula? A chemist with no vested interest? I have no clue why a CEO would be untrustworthy when any other employer wouldn’t be.

Whoever needs to to do their job. And you put in security controls (e.g. part A and part B). Also compensate your people well and don’t publicize who they are.

Semiconductor does this all the time…engineers on team A know only about their process critical gate materials step. Engineers on team B know about their lithography step. They are trained not to disclose and people respect that.


Been there. The CEO of an internet security company was the one who clicked on the wrong email attachment and turned a virus loose.

I mean, I don't know if he had a security exemption, or if anyone who clicked on it would have infected us. But he was the weak link, at least in that instance.


Hah no, weak links are everywhere at all levels. The stories just don't generate revenue for news companies.

A fish rots from the head back.

whether he is personally and directly responsible for this specific incident, his leadership absolutely sets the tone for the rest of the federal government.

It goes back long before the current regime. People may remember a certain cabinet secretary who ran her own exchange server in the basement.

Humans generally find "food safety expert sickens guests with tuna salad he left out overnight on warm countertop" to be a far more damning charge than "fire safety expert sickens ... warm countertop".

Dig up a live mic catching Hillary calling the IOC a bunch of self-serving scum just as Obama was begging them to award the 2016 Olympics to Chicago, and we might call it comparable.


It’s always fascinating how massive corruption is “whatabout”’d because someone years ago did something stupid.

Do you mean now, or then?

Bad is still bad, no matter what the party doing it.


> I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews.

Don't forget the Large Adult Sons!

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-land-...

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/large-adult-sons


> No one needs to be competent at their job anymore

That's actually the whole point. Placing incompetents in positions of authority means they know absolutely to whom they owe their loyalty. Because they know they would never have that job on merit. And since they don't really know how to do the job, they have no moral qualms about doing a poor job, or strong opinions on what they should be doing -- other than whatever mission their patron has given them. It's a tool used by weak leaders and it's unfortunately very effective.


It's all part of the plan.

Make the government look so incompetent that it is a no brainer to let a private company (headed by your friends and family of course) to do the important jobs and siphon resources much more effectively.


> I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews.

No joke, the previous head of the State Department task force tasked with fighting corruption and nepotism in international contracting was named Rich Nephew. (He's a very talented career civil servant and I mean no shade I just find that hilarious.)


Do remember that HBO Chernobyl is fiction, there was no shoe guy publicly drinking vodka irl

It is perfectly plausible that someone from a shoe factory would end up in that guy’s position. He would just have been running the factory, not making shoes.

not in the USSR at the time of the events.

Yes in reality that guy was a machinist.

The failsons of the king of the failsons

Guess what this administration would love to do with nuclear facilities...

Any time you have to include "competent" in a description of a job or related technology, that's a clue that it needs requisite oversight and (possibly exponetial) proportionate cost.


Isn't using azure openai enough? I read their docs and they have self hosted instances for corporate data compliance.

DEI in action (funny people thst voted for this were apparently anti-DEI and now they get 100% DEI)

Of course this comment is mostly ironic, but noting for the whole class, when the MAGA talked about DEI they only ever meant ethnic and sexual minorities, competence be damned!

That is of course the thing about ideologies like it: loyalty before all else.


DEI is basically “someone else got a gig not because of their abilities but because _____”

The entire Trump administration, every single person, is a DEI hire.


DEI at its worst is exactly what you say. (At its best, it's "we hire for abilities, but we also look for abilities in non-traditional people".

But, even though that's what DEI can be, not all "someone got a git not because of ability" is DEI. Cronyism, racism, and sexism all do that, too.

In the case of this administration, I think the traditional term is "yes men" - people who are hired not for ability, but because they will not say no to the boss.


Hey, working at a shoe factory is serious business. You have to be a real bootlicker to get ahead in a place like that.

And when you get to the top, you actually experience how the shoe is on the other foot. One should get out early, not waiting for the other shoe to drop.

just until you get to upper management

there are, he was just too lazy to use them

They say that most fascist governments fall apart because they actively despise competence, which it turns out you need if you are trying to run a country.

That’s because eventually reality catches up to you.

If the reality of a thing is in opposition to the regime’s wishes, you can’t just wish that away.

However, the regime will favor those who say “yes” over those who accept reality.


Competence gives way to ideology.

I once read an interesting book on the economy of Nazi Germany. There were a lot of smart CEOs and high ranking civil servants who perfectly predicted US industrial might.


They say it, but they're wrong. Historically speaking there have been basically about 2 fascist governments, and they fell because they lost wars. And Germany, for one, did run them with high competence, to the extend that it took years for many countries to do anything about.

It we loosen "fascist" to just mean any authoritarian government, there are many that run of very long time.


WWII started in 1939 and was done in early 1945, so it didn't take that long.

More importantly, maybe the Nazi's were competent at first, but they absolutely fell apart internally due to mistrust, back stabbing, and demanding of loyalty above all else. Hitler famously made many poor military decisions.


Six years for a country holding back the allies is not "that long" - and 6 years more since they came into power?

And as a government they'd still be in power 20 and 30 years later if they didn't start the war (judging from Franco's spain).


The Nazis were in power for years before they started WWII.

> There have to be GovCloud only LLMs just for this case.

I hear Los Alamos labs has an LLM that makes ChatGPT look like a toy. And then there's Sentinel, which may be the same thing I'm not sure.


Check the engineering salaries between each organization and reconsider your claim.

And we all heard they reverse engineered alien anti gravity technology in the 80s.

All I've heard was that they were aware it's anti gravity. Nothing about reverse engineering.

Care to say more about that?


Bob Lazar claims he was allocated in this project where not only they found working device capable of emiting gravitational waves out of phase with earth gravitational waves, but they achieved the same effect bombarding a mysterious unknown at the time element. He called the material element115 (the logical guess, element 114 properties was known/was synthesized), while emiting one proton and decaying back to element 115 the effect was achieved.

Apparently he was in fact allocated on a top secret project at los Alamos and his expertise was alternative propulsion back everything else is folklore, but it is deep folklore if you're interested in conspiracy theories


Is it called "Skynet?"

luckily, they're not doing too much on the title screen


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